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02/04/2010 03:30 PM Senate RESOURCES


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03:37:27 PM Update by the Administration - Aces and Its Effect on Oil and Gas Investment
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Its Effect on Oil and Gas Investment
                    ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE                                                                                  
              SENATE RESOURCES STANDING COMMITTEE                                                                             
                        February 4, 2010                                                                                        
                           3:36 p.m.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Senator Lesil McGuire, Co-Chair                                                                                                 
Senator Bill Wielechowski, Co-Chair                                                                                             
Senator Hollis French                                                                                                           
Senator Bert Stedman                                                                                                            
Senator Gary Stevens                                                                                                            
Senator Thomas Wagoner                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Senator Charlie Huggins, Vice Chair                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Update by the Administration - ACES and its Effect on Oil and                                                                   
Gas Investment                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
PREVIOUS COMMITTEE ACTION                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
No previous action to record.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
WITNESS REGISTER                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
PATRICK S. GALVIN, Commissioner                                                                                                 
Alaska State Department of Revenue (DOR)                                                                                        
POSITION STATEMENT: Presented an overview of ACES.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MARCIA DAVIS, Deputy Commissioner                                                                                               
Alaska State Department of Revenue (DOR)                                                                                        
POSITION STATEMENT: Discussed the ACES Status Report.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
ACTION NARRATIVE                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
3:36:51 PM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR  LESIL  MCGUIRE  called the  Senate  Resources  Standing                                                             
Committee meeting  to order at 3:36  p.m. Present at the  call to                                                               
order  were  Senators  French,   Stedman,  Stevens,  Wagoner  and                                                               
McGuire.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
^ Update by  the Administration - ACES and its  Effect on Oil and                                                               
Gas Investment                                                                                                                  
 Update by the Administration - ACES and its Effect on Oil and                                                              
                         Gas Investment                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
3:37:27 PM                                                                                                                    
PATRICK  S. GALVIN,  Commissioner, Department  of Revenue  (DOR),                                                               
Anchorage,  Alaska, introduced  Deputy Commissioner  Marcia Davis                                                               
and  outlined his  presentation. He  said he  would give  a brief                                                               
review  of Alaska's  Clear  and Equitable  Share  (ACES) for  the                                                               
people  at home  and then  turn  it over  to Deputy  Commissioner                                                               
Davis to  talk in more  detail about  the ACES status  report and                                                               
some of  the data that was  generated to look at  the question of                                                               
ACES impact on the investment climate.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
3:38:18 PM                                                                                                                    
COMMISSIONER GALVIN  began with  a high-level overview  to remind                                                               
everyone of what the structure  of ACES is intended to accomplish                                                               
and how that may play into  its impact on the investment climate.                                                               
He explained that  the term production tax value (PTV)  is at the                                                               
heart of the calculation of what  will actually be due; it is the                                                               
sales  price of  Alaska's oil  at market  minus the  cost of  the                                                               
tankers and pipeline to get the  oil to market; and then, because                                                               
this is  a net-based tax, minus  the cost to produce  the oil. It                                                               
is  the  capital  and   operating  expenditures  associated  with                                                               
producing the oil,  which companies deduct from  their revenue in                                                               
order  to generate  the production  tax value.  So, he  said, two                                                               
moving  parts  are  going  to  drive PTV  -  the  price  and  the                                                               
expenditures. (Slide 3)                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR FRENCH  interjected that the  equation on slide  3 should                                                               
include the word "minus" on the top line.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER GALVIN  agreed. He  continued saying that  the other                                                               
two  terms  they  need to  look  at  are  the  base tax  rate  on                                                               
production, 25 percent under ACES,  and the progressive surcharge                                                               
rate, which  is the additional tax  rate that is added  to the 25                                                               
percent  based upon  that extra  production tax  value. When  the                                                               
profit  on a  barrel of  oil goes  above $30,  then the  tax rate                                                               
increases.  Between $30  and $92.50  profit, the  rate goes  up 4                                                               
percent per dollar  of additional production tax  value. Once the                                                               
profit  gets above  $92.50,  which  is the  break-point  of a  50                                                               
percent total tax  rate between the base tax  and the progressive                                                               
surcharge, it increases at 1 percent  per dollar up to $342.50 of                                                               
profit, which is at a 75-percent total tax rate.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR FRENCH asked Commissioner Galvin  to remind him where the                                                               
PTV kicks in on the price per barrel of oil.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
3:42:24 PM                                                                                                                    
COMMISSIONER  GALVIN  replied  that  it  is  different  for  each                                                               
taxpayer,  because   each  will  have  a   different  cost  (both                                                               
operating  and capital)  associated with  producing their  oil. A                                                               
company  that has  a new  development  project under  way may  be                                                               
expending a  significant amount of  money during those  years and                                                               
gets to  deduct that immediately  from its production  tax value.                                                               
On average,  across the North Slope  a ballpark figure of  $25 to                                                               
$27   is  used   to   represent  the   per-barrel  aggregate   of                                                               
transportation  and  lease  expenditures.  That  means  that  the                                                               
market price  (West Coast Alaska  North Slope [ANS]  price) needs                                                               
to be approximately $56 to $57 before progressivity kicks in.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
3:43:28 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR FRENCH  said he thought the  first $25 to $27  per barrel                                                               
escaped production  tax and  between $25  and $50  the tax  is 25                                                               
percent, and that progressivity kicks in after $50.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER GALVIN added that a minimum tax acts as a floor.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
3:44:20 PM                                                                                                                    
COMMISSIONER  GALVIN  commented  that  for those  who  want  more                                                               
detail on this  type of calculation, they go through  a much more                                                               
rigorous analysis of the different components in Senate Finance.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
He reviewed the  big picture tax calculation, which  was shown on                                                               
slide 4 as  follows: multiply PTV times the base  tax rate to get                                                               
the base tax,  multiply PTV times the  progressive surcharge rate                                                               
to get  the progressive surcharge,  combine the base tax  and the                                                               
progressive surcharge  to get  the pre-credit  tax bill.  He said                                                               
credits are  in multiple forms and  come right off the  tax bill,                                                               
dollar-for-dollar. If  the amount  after subtracting  the credits                                                               
is negative and credits remain  that can't be applied against the                                                               
tax bill,  then those can be  transferred to another tax  bill or                                                               
submitted to the state for full payment.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
3:45:40 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR HUGGINS and CO-CHAIR WIELECHOWSKI joined the meeting.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER GALVIN  explained that  small producers,  those with                                                               
production levels less  than 50,000 barrels per year,  get a $12-                                                               
million  off-the-top credit  and  an across-the-board  20-percent                                                               
credit  on all  capital expenditures.  The exploration  incentive                                                               
credit  is 30  to 40  percent for  certain expenditures  that are                                                               
outside the  current operating  areas, and if  a producer  has no                                                               
production  and is  incurring operating  and  capital costs  that                                                               
result in  a negative PTV, the  25 percent tax rate  results in a                                                               
loss carry-forward that can be used as a credit in future years.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
3:47:41 PM                                                                                                                    
COMMISSIONER GALVIN provided two  examples to demonstrate the way                                                               
the  state participates  in these  investment factors.  The first                                                               
assumed a  new entrant, a company  that has no production  in the                                                               
state at  this time but  is pursuing an exploration  project that                                                               
requires a  $200 million investment  (slides 6 and  7). Depending                                                               
on the location of that  exploration activity, they would receive                                                               
a capital  credit of 20 to  40 percent on those  expenditures; so                                                               
their investment  is worth  $40 to  80 million  in terms  of what                                                               
they would get back from the  state. They would also likely incur                                                               
a tax loss which, at a base  tax rate of 25 percent, would result                                                               
in  an  additional  credit,  bringing  credits  to  $50  million.                                                               
Between  the two,  they would  qualify for  credits on  that $200                                                               
million investment  of between $90  and $130 million.  They could                                                               
either submit  the credit to  the state for  cash back or  find a                                                               
taxpayer who is willing to buy the tax credit from them.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
3:50:11 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR FRENCH said it looks as if  a new entrant is going to get                                                               
back almost half  of his money; it is like  a 50-percent-off sale                                                               
through the state.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER GALVIN confirmed that  under the right circumstances                                                               
a new  entrant would  get 45  to 65  percent of  their investment                                                               
costs. He  added that although they  probably will not get  to it                                                               
today, in  future discussions this  session they will  talk about                                                               
some of the provisions that may hinder that transaction.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
3:51:06 PM                                                                                                                    
COMMISSIONER GALVIN  continued that either way,  whether they try                                                               
to get the cash back or  transfer the credit to another taxpayer,                                                               
the  state  pays  for that  $200  million  exploration  activity.                                                               
Recognizing  that exploration  itself is  risky, the  state bears                                                               
the risk associated  with failure as well as a  large part of the                                                               
cost of the exploration project.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
He moved  on to  the second example,  which assumed  an incumbent                                                               
with current  production (slide  8). If  this producer  pursues a                                                               
$200-million development  project within the existing  field that                                                               
is  not  eligible  for the  exploration  incentive  program,  the                                                               
capital credit  associated with  that investment  will earn  a 20                                                               
percent  credit -  so $40  million  comes off  the top.  Reducing                                                               
their  production  tax  value  by the  amount  of  their  capital                                                               
expenditure  reduces  their taxes  in  the  amount of  their  PTV                                                               
reduction  -  $200  million  times 25  percent  -  a  $50-million                                                               
reduction in their taxes.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
The second  part to note,  Commissioner Galvin said, is  that the                                                               
PTV establishes their progressivity  surcharge - the higher their                                                               
PTV,  the higher  they  slide up  that scale.  By  making a  $200                                                               
million investment  and having it  immediately reduce  their PTV,                                                               
they slide back  down the scale, so the tax  rate that will apply                                                               
to all of  their production is reduced as well.  In addition, the                                                               
$200  million  gets  multiplied   by  the  reduced  progressivity                                                               
surcharge, so both  of those components add value,  and the state                                                               
will provide an  immediate tax benefit of at least  45 percent of                                                               
the cost of that development investment.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
3:54:48 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR FRENCH asked if that assumes  oil prices are over $25 and                                                               
they are paying a production tax.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER GALVIN answered that even  if they were not paying a                                                               
production tax, they  would get the credit and be  able to reduce                                                               
their PTV.  If that brought them  down below $27, it  would still                                                               
provide them with a similar economic benefit.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR FRENCH  said he  thought they  had established  that they                                                               
aren't paying  any production  tax with  oil below  $25 to  $27 a                                                               
barrel and he didn't think  the investment shouldn't get them any                                                               
benefit but the credit.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER GALVIN said  the $25 to $27 he  mentioned before was                                                               
an  average.  If an  individual  taxpayer  was otherwise  at  the                                                               
average   and  then   added  a   $200-million  expenditure,   the                                                               
deductions would amount to more than  $25 per barrel and become a                                                               
loss carry-forward for a subsequent credit.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR FRENCH ventured that for  an existing producer with a new                                                               
development  expenditure,  the  state  would  pay  at  least  $90                                                               
million and probably more at today's oil prices.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
3:56:41 PM                                                                                                                    
COMMISSIONER GALVIN confirmed that the  state will pay a total of                                                               
at  least  $90  million  for  an existing  producer  with  a  new                                                               
development expenditure  and bears  the risk if  that development                                                               
fails.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
3:57:30 PM                                                                                                                    
COMMISSIONER GALVIN recapped  the key points in  the two previous                                                               
examples (slide 10).  He said there is no difference  in the cash                                                               
flow to the state, whether the  investment is made by an existing                                                               
producer or a  new entrant; either way, the state  is going to be                                                               
out the money  in the form of reduced initial  revenue, or in the                                                               
payment of  a credit certificate.  But by  taking on some  of the                                                               
risk  and  reducing  the  initial  investment  hurdle  for  these                                                               
companies,  the state  is making  the investment  more attractive                                                               
than  it  would otherwise  be.  Recognizing  that, the  state  is                                                               
generally providing more  than 50 percent of the cost  of all new                                                               
investment and  becomes the largest  investor in  exploration and                                                               
development in the state under this system.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
3:58:54 PM                                                                                                                    
COMMISSIONER  GALVIN   pointed  to  a  graph   of  ACES  nominal,                                                               
marginal, and  effective tax rates (slide  11), which illustrated                                                               
some  of   the  confusion  that  occurs   in  public  discussions                                                               
associated with  ACES, because the  tax rate can be  described in                                                               
many different  ways. He explained  that when he says  at certain                                                               
price-points  the  marginal tax  rate  associated  with the  ACES                                                               
system  goes  up  to  almost   90  percent,  it  sounds  like  an                                                               
incredibly  high  number,  but  that  doesn't  convey  the  whole                                                               
picture. What  most people think of  with regard to the  tax rate                                                               
is the number in statute, which  starts at 25 percent, and climbs                                                               
through progressivity, and slides  out potentially to 75 percent;                                                               
that  is  what is  referred  to  as  the  nominal tax  rate.  The                                                               
percentage of  revenue that a producer  pays in taxes at  a given                                                               
market rate is referred to as  the effective tax rate, and is one                                                               
that most people are familiar with.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
He  explained  that  the  term  "marginal tax  rate"  is  a  much                                                               
different calculation  and determines how much  of the additional                                                               
revenue  represented by  a $1  increase in  the price  of oil  is                                                               
going to be paid in  taxes. Because of progressivity, that number                                                               
goes up  fairly steeply. Oh the  other hand, as that  number goes                                                               
up, every dollar  a company spends reduces its taxes  by the same                                                               
percentage. When the PTV is in  the $92.50 range at an average of                                                               
$120  per barrel  market price,  the  rate hits  that 90  percent                                                               
level  and then  drops off  immediately. At  that point  in time,                                                               
every  dollar spent  by a  company reduces  their taxes  by about                                                               
$.90. So  the tax  rate the  company is paying  is not  really 90                                                               
percent. At that point, as the  chart shows, they are paying less                                                               
than a 40-percent  actual tax rate, so their  incentive to invest                                                               
is  greater. They  can't control  the  price, but  if they  spend                                                               
money it  has a significant  impact on  their tax bill.  At these                                                               
rates, the state is participating at upwards of 90 percent.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
4:04:21 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR FRENCH asked Commissioner Galvin  to go back one slide to                                                               
confirm his  understanding of  the tax rate.  He said  it appears                                                               
that at a market price of  $100 per barrel the effective tax rate                                                               
is 28  or 29  percent; that rate  represents the  company's total                                                               
revenue divided by the total tax paid.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER GALVIN said that is correct.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
4:05:02 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR STEDMAN asked  what impact these different  tax rates may                                                               
or  may  not  have  on   a  company's  decision  to  continue  an                                                               
investment. He said  some people have expressed  concern that the                                                               
marginal rate puts them at  a disadvantage when competing against                                                               
other locations in the company for capital.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  MCGUIRE   said  she  has  also   heard  those  concerns                                                               
expressed - that for some producers  the ability to profit at the                                                               
high  end becomes  the driving  force behind  decisions regarding                                                               
new investment.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
4:06:22 PM                                                                                                                    
COMMISSIONER GALVIN responded that they  have to recognize that a                                                               
lag  time exists  between the  decision  to invest  and when  the                                                               
expenditures  are actually  made.  If a  company  knew the  price                                                               
would be  in the $110 range  when they actually spend  the money,                                                               
they could count  on the fact that the state  would be paying the                                                               
bulk of the  expenditure. The worst-case scenario  is that prices                                                               
will  be low  when they  make the  investment and  high when  the                                                               
production comes in.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
4:07:44 PM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR  WIELECHOWSKI said  he recalls  that the  administration                                                               
and the legislature  made a conscious decision  to structure ACES                                                               
this  way to  encourage  reinvestment in  Alaska.  The state  was                                                               
seeing oil  companies making  billions of  dollars in  profit and                                                               
not  reinvesting any  of that  money in  Alaska, even  though the                                                               
state had fairly  low tax rates. Under the  Economic Limit Factor                                                               
(ELF), many fields had 0 percent  severance tax rates and yet the                                                               
state did not see any investment.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
4:08:47 PM                                                                                                                    
COMMISSIONER GALVIN  said that  is an  accurate depiction  of how                                                               
this system is intended to work.  It is intended to tax the money                                                               
that is taken  out of state at  a higher rate than  money that is                                                               
invested back in Alaska.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR WIELECHOWSKI asked if that was a good policy call.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
4:09:27 PM                                                                                                                    
COMMISSIONER GALVIN replied  that he would like to  let Ms. Davis                                                               
go  through her  presentation  before addressing  that issue,  so                                                               
they have all of the information in front of them.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
4:09:43 PM                                                                                                                    
MARCIA DAVIS,  Deputy Commissioner, Department of  Revenue (DOR),                                                               
said she would be covering  the information that was developed by                                                               
the Department  of Revenue's  Economic Research  Group, including                                                               
the revenue comparisons under the  various production tax systems                                                               
the state has had: ELF,  Petroleum Production Tax (PPT) and ACES.                                                               
She  would also  look at  lease expenditures,  standard deduction                                                               
experiences,  the oil  and gas  employment figures,  and drilling                                                               
activity levels.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
She said the ACES Status Report  was released on January 14, 2010                                                               
(slides 13-14). The department began  preparing it in late summer                                                               
to determine  whether ACES  is working the  way it  should. While                                                               
they  were working  on it,  they began  receiving inquiries  from                                                               
various  legislators  asking   the  same  questions  Commissioner                                                               
Galvin  was asking,  so they  rolled the  answers to  as many  of                                                               
those questions  as they  could into the  report. They  looked at                                                               
confidential taxpayer  data consisting of monthly  and annual tax                                                               
returns that had  a level of detail that enabled  them to look at                                                               
what types  of expenditures were  being made. The  department was                                                               
given the  right to  request information  from operators  on what                                                               
they were  seeing ahead in the  one to four years,  so they could                                                               
get an idea  of where those companies thought they  were going in                                                               
terms of expenditures. They  requested employment statistics from                                                               
the Department  of Labor and Workforce  Development (DOLWD); they                                                               
inquired  of  the  Alaska Oil  and  Gas  Conservation  Commission                                                               
(AOGCC), which is the agency  that issues well permits and tracks                                                               
completion  reports  throughout  the state;  they  also  obtained                                                               
information from the Department of Natural Resources (DNR).                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MS. DAVIS  said the question they  were asked most often  was how                                                               
revenue to the  state compares under ACES versus  PPT versus ELF,                                                               
so slide 15 shows a bar  graph comparing those figures for fiscal                                                               
years 2007 through  2010. She noted that  the revenue projections                                                               
for 2010  are based on the  oil price forecast issued  in fall of                                                               
2009 at  $66.93 per  barrel. In  each of the  years shown  on the                                                               
graph, ACES did  generate a larger amount of  state revenue under                                                               
the  production   tax  structure.  She  pointed   out  that  ACES                                                               
outperforms the prior  system, ELF, at about $51  per barrel West                                                               
Coast  price,   but  the  corollary   is  also  true,   that  ELF                                                               
outperforms ACES at under $51 per barrel West Coast price.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
She explained  that, because ACES  is a net  tax, one has  to ask                                                               
what lease  expenditures are  being deducted.  Lease expenditures                                                               
are  made up  of two  categories of  expenses: capital  expenses,                                                               
which are  hard costs that  have a  life and can  be depreciated,                                                               
and operating  expenditures, which  tend to be  upkeep, services,                                                               
labor and other things that have to be done over and over again.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
4:15:11 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR FRENCH asked if she had any data prior to 2007.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MS. DAVIS replied that she had  some data for CAPEX and some data                                                               
for OPEX on  the next two slides. The  capital expenditures trend                                                               
shown on  slide 16 was increasing  from 2007. She added  that the                                                               
operating expenditures  shown were  real reported costs,  not the                                                               
standard deduction for those earlier years.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
4:16:11 PM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR  MCGUIRE  asked Ms.  Davis  if  the data  differentiates                                                               
between   capital   expenditures    for   repairs   to   existing                                                               
infrastructure and for new infrastructure.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MS. DAVIS answered  that they did try to separate  the details of                                                               
those expenditures  using the data  they had by identifying  in a                                                               
conservative  manner  those  things  that were  clearly  tied  to                                                               
wells, drilling, workovers, coiled  tube drilling, and costs that                                                               
were  directly associated  with anything  related to  production.                                                               
They  considered   everything  else   "other,"  which   would  be                                                               
maintenance and  things companies  would do  anyway.   They found                                                               
that both production-related  and maintenance-related capital and                                                               
operating expenditures were going up.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
4:17:50 PM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR WIELECHOWSKI said  that is helpful to know  and asked if                                                               
she had that broken down somewhere.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MS. DAVIS answered that they  had not represented the break-down,                                                               
in  part because  that is  confidential taxpayer  information. It                                                               
can be  aggregated, but it  varies by unit. Unit  information for                                                               
at least  three owners can be  displayed, but not for  fewer than                                                               
three owners. So that would provide an incomplete portrait.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
4:18:42 PM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR WIELECHOWSKI  asked if the bar  graph representing CAPEX                                                               
and OPEX included maintenance costs or not.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MS. DAVIS answered that it included maintenance and production.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
4:18:58 PM                                                                                                                    
At ease due to technical difficulties.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
4:20:53 PM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR MCGUIRE called the meeting back to order.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
4:21:13 PM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR   WIELECHOWSKI  asked   Ms.   Davis   to  confirm   that                                                               
maintenance is  included in  the figures  represented on  the bar                                                               
chart.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MS. DAVIS said it is.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  WIELECHOWSKI  asked if  she  could  give them  a  rough                                                               
estimate of how much is maintenance.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MS.  DAVIS replied  that one  of the  department's challenges  is                                                               
that  is has  data  from  the tax  returns  only.  So, they  have                                                               
partial  data for  2007, all  of  2008, and  monthly returns  for                                                               
2009; they  wouldn't have final  returns for 2009 until  March of                                                               
2010.  They did  the calculation  to  see trends,  she said,  but                                                               
hadn't done a  chart for that yet. She said  she expected to have                                                               
better data as they get a few more years under their belts.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
4:22:24 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  FRENCH opined  that what  many people  are referring  to                                                               
when they  say "maintenance  costs" is really  the costs  that BP                                                               
incurred as  the result of  their failure to maintain  their flow                                                               
lines for so long.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MS. DAVIS  responded that while  that was certainly the  start of                                                               
it, under ACES any costs that  are related to gross negligence or                                                               
associated  with  a  spill  cannot  be  deducted.  That  kind  of                                                               
experience, however, teaches operators what  needs to be done; so                                                               
one would expect to see  more maintenance costs after an incident                                                               
like that.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
4:23:23 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR HUGGINS  asked if  Pt. Thomson is  a significant  part of                                                               
these numbers.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MS.  DAVIS answered  that part  of  the forecast  of North  Slope                                                               
expenditures  from  fiscal  year   2009  into  fiscal  year  2011                                                               
includes  some  large expenditures  for  new  development in  Pt.                                                               
Thomson, Oooguruk, and Nikaitchuq.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  HUGGINS  said  he  recalled   Exxon  talking  about  how                                                               
expensive  the  up-front  costs of  their  investments  were.  He                                                               
wondered how large a chunk of the listed numbers it was.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MS. DAVIS  responded that confidentiality provisions  prevent her                                                               
from  speaking  with  reference   to  Pt.  Thomson  individually.                                                               
However  their  revenue  source   book  identified  Pt.  Thomson,                                                               
Nikaitchuq, and  Oooguruk as a  significant chunk of  the capital                                                               
expenses they expect to see going forward.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
4:24:51 PM                                                                                                                    
COMMISSIONER    GALVIN   said    with   reference    to   Senator                                                               
Wielechowski's request for  historical information, although they                                                               
cannot reveal  taxpayer information, perhaps the  committee could                                                               
get a  cost estimate from Exxon  as an operator, then  they could                                                               
compare  it to  the overall  figures to  get a  sense for  how it                                                               
stacks up on an annual basis.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  HUGGINS  said he  just  wants  to  be sure  they  aren't                                                               
drawing conclusions from an incomplete picture.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MS. DAVIS agreed.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
4:27:00 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR HUGGINS  said he would be  interested to hear if  she saw                                                               
some picture emerging from this activity.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MS. DAVIS said that is precisely  why they were trying to look at                                                               
which of the expenditures were  associated with "production adds"                                                               
and which were actually increasing production.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR HUGGINS  asked if that  information was somewhere  in the                                                               
slides.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MS. DAVIS  answered that that was  the back side of  the question                                                               
regarding  what  was  and  was not  maintenance.  The  growth  in                                                               
expenditures  was  not  all  about   maintenance;  it  was  about                                                               
production adds, which are also increasing.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
4:28:10 PM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR MCGUIRE said she would  be interested in seeing a better                                                               
breakdown in terms of where  the investments are for Pt. Thomson,                                                               
Nikaitchuq, and  Oooguruk are, because  two of those  fields have                                                               
royalty  reductions in  place. If  capital investment  were being                                                               
made in  those fields,  then it was  certainly not  indicative of                                                               
any kind  of an ACES  pattern, but rather  of what the  state had                                                               
done to incentivize development.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
4:29:09 PM                                                                                                                    
COMMISSIONER  GALVIN   commented  that  the   incentives  offered                                                               
through royalty  relief and the production  tax are significantly                                                               
different  in  terms  of  scale. Because  royalty  is  a  smaller                                                               
percentage of the  overall take, it would provide  a much smaller                                                               
incentive  than what  the state  provides through  the production                                                               
tax.                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
4:30:42 PM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR MCGUIRE  conceded the distinction between  severance tax                                                               
relief and  royalty relief,  but said  they can  push and  pull a                                                               
number of different levers and  buttons to encourage exploration,                                                               
and  they are  trying to  figure out  how best  to do  that while                                                               
maintaining  a  healthy  balance  between the  state's  take  and                                                               
industry's take.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
4:31:30 PM                                                                                                                    
COMMISSIONER  GALVIN  responded   to  Senator  Huggins'  question                                                               
regarding Pt.  Thomson that  it was  less than  a quarter  of the                                                               
overall capital expenditure.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
4:31:57 PM                                                                                                                    
MS.  DAVIS stated  that  DOR  can provide  operating  costs on  a                                                               
historical  basis only  for Prudhoe  Bay; the  prior tax  systems                                                               
were not  net tax, so they  didn't really gather data  related to                                                               
OPEX or CAPEX,  and the state was privy to  some historical costs                                                               
associated  with Prudhoe  Bay only  because  of discussions  that                                                               
took place relative to the Stranded Gas Development Act.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
4:32:46 PM                                                                                                                    
She continued  to say that  the graph  on slide 17  tracked those                                                               
operating expenses  from 2003 through  2009 and showed  they were                                                               
increasing. The  next question would  be whether  that represents                                                               
an increase  in costs per  unit or  if it actually  represents an                                                               
increase in  activity; the answer  is a combination of  both. She                                                               
stated  that  while  unit  costs  have  increased,  activity  had                                                               
increased as well.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR MCGUIRE  noted that  the first  meaningful drop  on that                                                               
chart was between 2009 and 2010.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MS. DAVIS  agreed. She  said the  reason for  that drop  was that                                                               
they  are seeing  the global  indexes for  operating expenditures                                                               
coming  down; their  data on  per-unit costs  was also  showing a                                                               
downward  trend. This  was essentially  because  oil prices  came                                                               
down from  the peak at  the end of 2008  and unit costs  of goods                                                               
tend to trail oil price by about a  year to a year and a half; so                                                               
the costs  of goods  and services  were just  catching up  to the                                                               
decrease in oil price.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
4:34:38 PM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR WIELECHOWSKI asked if this  chart indicated a good thing                                                               
or a bad thing  - if all costs had gone down  or if materials and                                                               
labor had gone down and, therefore, the operating costs.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MS. DAVIS said on the surface it  was hard to tell whether it was                                                               
good  or bad.  They looked  deeply enough  to know  this was  not                                                               
simply an increase in the cost  of goods and services, but rather                                                               
reflected an increase in activity - a good thing.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
4:35:32 PM                                                                                                                    
COMMISSIONER  GALVIN   clarified  for  Ms.  Davis   that  Senator                                                               
Wielechowski's question went to the 2010 trend.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  WIELECHOWSKI confirmed  that his  question was  whether                                                               
the projected  reduction in costs  was a positive thing.  He said                                                               
if the costs  totaled $11.80 per barrel in 2009  and now total $9                                                               
per barrel, that should be a good thing for the producers.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MS. DAVIS agreed  that it was a good indicator  that the industry                                                               
had been able to get the  service industry to respond by lowering                                                               
their costs as revenues went down.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  MCGUIRE   pointed  out  that  Ms.   Davis  indicated  a                                                               
combination of  factors in play here  and that there is  a direct                                                               
correlation between both  the unit costs and  activity. If prices                                                               
go  down,  the reduction  in  costs  would  mean a  reduction  in                                                               
activity.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
4:36:42 PM                                                                                                                    
MS.  DAVIS answered  yes, they  have gathered  publicly available                                                               
data about what  some of the major companies are  doing, and they                                                               
all  are  cutting back  on  expenditures  because of  the  global                                                               
recession.  The only  question  is  how much  and  where. DOR  is                                                               
finding that some of that may  be a reflection of some ratcheting                                                               
back of expenditures at a  corporate center level, plus the lower                                                               
expenditure of unit costs.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
4:37:22 PM                                                                                                                    
COMMISSIONER GALVIN said, in general,  the escalation of per-unit                                                               
costs was  not a good thing  for the state or  for the producers.                                                               
The  question  Ms.  Davis  answered  initially  was  whether  the                                                               
increase indicated  that something  had happened with  regard the                                                               
incentive  that  ACES  created  back   in  2007  with  regard  to                                                               
operating  expenses in  particular. And  this didn't  seem to  be                                                               
driven by  an investment-incentive,  decision-making methodology.                                                               
As she  indicated, he said,  most of this  was driven by  a steep                                                               
escalation  in   across-the-board  oil  and  gas   sector  costs,                                                               
followed by  a drop-off across  the oil and gas  sector worldwide                                                               
after the peak in 2009. It wasn't reflective of ACES either way.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR HUGGINS  recalled previous discussions of  "lifting cost"                                                               
and asked if that was synonymous with operating expenditure.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER    GALVIN   answered    that   they    were   pretty                                                               
interchangeable;  lifting  costs  are a  component  of  operating                                                               
costs.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR HUGGINS noted  that these numbers were less  than half of                                                               
what they were talking about in relation to lifting costs.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
4:40:15 PM                                                                                                                    
COMMISSIONER GALVIN cautioned that  lifting costs associated with                                                               
the  whole North  Slope were  different from  those isolated  for                                                               
Prudhoe Bay, which  is more efficient due to its  size and scale.                                                               
Also, under  ACES a provision  now allows the department  to show                                                               
the legislature some  information on Prudhoe Bay  that they could                                                               
not previously share.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
4:41:20 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR HUGGINS commented that they  need to know how Prudhoe Bay                                                               
numbers compare to the rest of the North Slope.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
4:41:42 PM                                                                                                                    
MS. DAVIS responded that the  department would provide a range of                                                               
what they  considered to be the  OPEX and the CAPEX  charges on a                                                               
per-barrel basis.  She said she  worked in the industry  for nine                                                               
years and had heard "lifting costs"  used in various ways and she                                                               
would hesitate  to opine how  it was used historically  with this                                                               
body.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
4:42:11 PM                                                                                                                    
She  moved on  to slides  19 and  20 that  showed the  historical                                                               
trends  associated  with  capital  expenditures.  She  said  they                                                               
acquired  this information  from  the TIE  credit  data that  was                                                               
presented to the department.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
4:42:32 PM                                                                                                                    
COMMISSIONER GALVIN added  that when the PPT was  passed, TIE was                                                               
also referred to  as a "claw back" and allowed  companies to earn                                                               
credits  for the  capital  expenditures they  had  made for  five                                                               
years in  the past. That  gave the forward-producing  companies a                                                               
reason to provide the department  with numbers for their previous                                                               
five years of capital expenditures.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
4:43:31 PM                                                                                                                    
MS.  DAVIS said  the figures  reflected  on the  slides were  not                                                               
restricted to  Prudhoe Bay  and that  the chart  showed a  dip in                                                               
capital expenditures  during the  period when  ELF was  in place,                                                               
from about  2001 to  2005. They  started to  build coming  out of                                                               
2005  and continued  to increase  through  2009. She  highlighted                                                               
that   this  chart   didn't  indicate   a  decrease   in  capital                                                               
expenditures after the passage of PPT and ACES.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
She  said the  forecast was  for  about $2.5  billion in  capital                                                               
expenditures for  fiscal year  2010, and  about $2.9  billion for                                                               
2011.  Unfortunately, the  chart was  in calendar  years and  the                                                               
forecast was in fiscal years,  so it only roughly illustrated the                                                               
trend.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  MCGUIRE asked  if the  projection  in expenditures  was                                                               
based  on  answers provided  by  the  companies to  questions  on                                                               
Department of Revenue forms.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. DAVIS answered  yes; they ask operators at all  of the fields                                                               
in development or  exploration what they are doing  over the next                                                               
five years.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
4:46:01 PM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR  MCGUIRE  said  the  committee  needed  to  explore  why                                                               
companies  like ConocoPhillips  have  for the  first  time in  44                                                               
years said they won't drill an exploration well.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MS. DAVIS reminded  Senator McGuire that they  reported a rolled-                                                               
up number for capital expenditures on the whole North Slope.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
4:47:00 PM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR  MCGUIRE reiterated  that she  would like  Ms. Davis  to                                                               
come back  to the committee with  as much information as  she was                                                               
able to provide on where  those expenditures were being made. She                                                               
pointed  out  that  the  Resources Committee  had  a  history  of                                                               
looking at the individual resources in  each part of the state to                                                               
determine how to incentivize each particular field.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
4:48:23 PM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR WIELECHOWSKI  said he  wanted to  be sure  he understood                                                               
the chart correctly.  Under ELF,  the state had quite a number of                                                               
fields that paid little or nothing  in severance tax from 2001 to                                                               
2005 and it  saw a pretty steady decline  in capital expenditures                                                               
on the North  Slope during that time. PPT  became effective April                                                               
1, 2006 and there was  a pretty significant increase; that upward                                                               
trend continued after  ACES became law in 2007. He  asked if that                                                               
was correct.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. DAVIS  replied that  it was.  She expanded  that part  of the                                                               
department's forecasting  involved looking at what  was happening                                                               
worldwide  and  they had  confirmation  that  capital costs  were                                                               
coming down globally. That told them  that if they were seeing an                                                               
increase  in the  overall  capital costs  incurred  on the  North                                                               
Slope, it was  due to activity as opposed to  increased costs per                                                               
unit.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
4:49:53 PM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR WIELECHOWSKI asked if she  was using "capital costs" and                                                               
"capital expenditures" interchangeably.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MS. DAVIS answered yes.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR WIELECHOWSKI said  the chart indicates that  the rest of                                                               
the world experienced  a steady increase in  investment from 2001                                                               
through 2005, but  Alaska showed a steady  decline. However, 2009                                                               
saw  a   pretty  significant  decline  in   capital  expenditures                                                               
worldwide,  but  Alaska had  an  increase.  He  asked if  he  was                                                               
reading that correctly.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MS. DAVIS answered that was correct.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
4:50:42 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  HUGGINS said  the debate  in the  legislature when  they                                                               
were going  through the  tax structure was  gross versus  net. He                                                               
asked if Ms.  Davis would say they made a  good decision on ACES,                                                               
based on the data that was now available.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER  GALVIN responded  that net  had proven  to be  very                                                               
valuable to this state.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
4:51:20 PM                                                                                                                    
MS. DAVIS said  one of things they wanted to  address in the ACES                                                               
report  is  the  unique  feature of  "ACES  past,"  the  standard                                                               
deduction  provision.  This  provision  said  a  field  that  had                                                               
produced  a  cumulative  1  billion  barrels of  oil  up  to  the                                                               
effective  date  of  ACES could  deduct  the  operating  expenses                                                               
associated  with  their  2006 level  of  operating  expenditures.                                                               
Although it was grossed up slightly,  it was indexed off the 2006                                                               
operating expense rates.  The reason for this was  that the state                                                               
had little  experience with  what the costs  coming out  of those                                                               
large fields would  be. Since the large fields were  the dog, not                                                               
the tail, there  was concern about what the revenue  hit would be                                                               
to the state because of the leap  from a gross tax structure to a                                                               
net tax  structure. This provision  was to  be in place  for only                                                               
two and a  half years and expired on December  31, 2009. She said                                                               
that slide  22 illustrated the  amount of additional tax  paid by                                                               
taxpayers who  had interests  in Prudhoe  and Kuparuk  during the                                                               
half year of  2007, all of 2008,  and all of 2009  because of the                                                               
difference  between  the  standard deduction  allowed  and  their                                                               
actual  reported  operating   expenses.  Presuming  the  reported                                                               
operating expenses were correct, she  said, this was the increase                                                               
in  the  state's production  tax.  Even  though  in FY  2008  the                                                               
operating expense was  approximately $2.6 billion and  in 2009 it                                                               
was  $2.7 billion,  there was  a  big difference  in the  revenue                                                               
impact because  the overall tax rate  was higher due to  the much                                                               
higher oil prices in 2008.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
4:53:57 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  HUGGINS   recalled  that  the  standard   deduction  was                                                               
introduced on the floor of the  House with very little debate. He                                                               
asked if the administration supported the standard deduction.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER  GALVIN  replied  that the  administration  did  not                                                               
propose a standard  deduction, but the governor at  that time was                                                               
not opposed.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
4:54:38 PM                                                                                                                    
MS. DAVIS said  another indication of activity level  was oil and                                                               
gas  industry employment  and that  the  department had  obtained                                                               
statistics  from the  Alaska Department  of  Labor and  Workforce                                                               
Development (DOLWD), which  were shown on the graph  on slide 23.                                                               
She  noted that  this graph  was different  from the  one in  the                                                               
published ACES Status  Report, because they had  not received all                                                               
of  the  data  for  2009  at  the  time  it  was  developed.  The                                                               
information on  slide 23  was adjusted  to reflect  more complete                                                               
information.  In 2008  the oil  and gas  employment numbers  were                                                               
12,900. In  2009, when the  report was published, the  number was                                                               
13,500; that  was revised to 13,000  on this slide, so  there was                                                               
an increase of  100 between 2008 and 2009. The  forecast from the                                                               
Department  of  Labor  and Workforce  Development  for  2010  was                                                               
12,700, a  decrease of  about 300 jobs.  According to  the graph,                                                               
2007  through  2010   are  the  highest  oil   and  gas  industry                                                               
employment numbers since the beginning of field development.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
4:56:26 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR FRENCH said he worked in  the oil industry until 1992 and                                                               
did not remember anything that would  account for a major drop in                                                               
employment, but  the chart indicates  that between 1991  and 1992                                                               
the  industry  lost about  2000  jobs.  He  asked if  such  large                                                               
fluctuations are common in the industry.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
4:57:13 PM                                                                                                                    
MS.  DAVIS  said  according  to   the  Department  of  Labor  and                                                               
Workforce Development,  oil and  gas employment is  very project-                                                               
dependant and  when workers  are let  go it  takes some  time for                                                               
them to  be reabsorbed into  other projects. They  would probably                                                               
have to look  at what major project might have  been concluded in                                                               
1991 to explain the drop.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
4:57:59 PM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR MCGUIRE  stated that both investment  and employment are                                                               
focal points for the legislature.  She said she was interested in                                                               
knowing  whether jobs  had  shifted away  from  those related  to                                                               
maintaining    infrastructure    and    toward    building    new                                                               
infrastructure. She  also wanted  to know  whether Ms.  Davis had                                                               
looked at  unemployment insurance filings  for people in  oil and                                                               
gas sector jobs.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MS. DAVIS responded  that DOR has access to  reporting related to                                                               
some state  taxes and  state programs  under the  jurisdiction of                                                               
the Department  of Labor and  Workforce Development, but  none of                                                               
that reporting  was specific  to the oil  and gas  industry. They                                                               
based their unemployment statistics  primarily on payroll records                                                               
that  tend  to  be  the  most  complete,  because  employers  are                                                               
required  to report  their  payroll for  purposes  of paying  the                                                               
unemployment ESC  tax. She was  advised that the current  rate of                                                               
unemployment filings is no higher than it was in 2003.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
5:00:24 PM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR MCGUIRE said she wanted  to understand as a policy-maker                                                               
what impacts the legislature's efforts  are having on oil and gas                                                               
employment regarding the data for 2008, 2009 and 2010.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
5:01:40 PM                                                                                                                    
COMMISSIONER GALVIN  said in response to  Senator McGuire's first                                                               
question   regarding   a   breakdown  between   maintenance   and                                                               
production  jobs that  the Department  of Revenue  does not  have                                                               
that information. He said he did  ask the Department of Labor and                                                               
Workforce  Development  about it  and  was  told by  Commissioner                                                               
Bishop's statistical  economist that the department  does not get                                                               
the reports in a form that allows them to discern that.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
5:03:21 PM                                                                                                                    
COMMISSIONER  GALVIN  said  they  can   see  that  the  trend  in                                                               
employment seemed to track expenditures pretty closely.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
5:03:59 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR HUGGINS  remarked that slide  23 was  interesting because                                                               
it showed that employment was actually  lower in 2001 than it was                                                               
when prices were so low in the late 80s and early 90s.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
5:05:08 PM                                                                                                                    
MS. DAVIS  pointed out that  the dip  in employment from  2001 to                                                               
2003 mirrored  the dip  in capital expenditures  on slide  19; so                                                               
labor seemed  to track  the CAPEX, which  could be  reflective of                                                               
projects that were going on in that time period.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR HUGGINS  said the chart  made it appear that  things were                                                               
going pretty  well in  Alaska around 1991,  but that  sure wasn't                                                               
the case where he lived.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
5:06:17 PM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR WIELECHOWSKI  said it would be  helpful to him to  see a                                                               
worldwide oil  and gas industry  employment comparison.  He asked                                                               
if Ms.  Davis had  any sense  of what  employment had  been doing                                                               
worldwide.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MS. DAVIS replied  that they hadn't looked  at employment numbers                                                               
globally,  but said  she would  try to  find them.  She continued                                                               
that they also  obtained information from the Alaska  Oil and Gas                                                               
Conservation  Commission (AOGCC)  that tracks  drilling rigs  and                                                               
completions. Slide 24  showed a graph of active  drilling rigs in                                                               
Alaska from 2005 through 2009 using  the West Coast spot price of                                                               
oil. The Commission concluded that  there was relatively flat rig                                                               
usage through this time period with  a drop-off in the last three                                                               
quarters  of  2009;  they  were   not  sure  what  that  drop-off                                                               
represented, but it lagged PPT and ACES enactment.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR MCGUIRE asked when that chart was completed.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MS. DAVIS  answered that they  got the  final data from  AOGCC at                                                               
the end of December 2009.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
5:08:39 PM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR  WIELECHOWSKI  asked  why Alaska  has  historically  had                                                               
fewer  wells   drilled  than  other  oil-producing   states  like                                                               
Wyoming, Oklahoma, and Texas.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
5:09:08 PM                                                                                                                    
COMMISSIONER GALVIN  responded that it  was due to  a combination                                                               
of  things; number  one is  probably cost.  The per-well  cost in                                                               
Alaska is  significantly higher than  in those other  states. The                                                               
logistics of  drilling a well, particularly  an exploration well,                                                               
in Alaska are  much more challenging; access to land  is an issue                                                               
in  that a  significant  part of  Alaska's oil  and  gas land  is                                                               
locked up in existing leases.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
5:10:09 PM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR  WIELECHOWSKI suggested  that  Alaska  think bigger.  He                                                               
stressed that the state needs to  find a way to encourage smaller                                                               
companies to get  out there and drill not five  or six more wells                                                               
per year, but hundreds.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
5:11:01 PM                                                                                                                    
MS.  DAVIS related  that many  new  entrants comment  that it  is                                                               
costly to  do work in Alaska,  so a job  has to be big  enough to                                                               
justify  the expense.  Things those  companies  take for  granted                                                               
when they  are drilling in  Wyoming, like  the ability to  move a                                                               
rig across  20 miles fairly easily,  are a big deal  on the North                                                               
Slope. From their perspective, the  state could help them most by                                                               
improving the infrastructure to open up access.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
5:12:02 PM                                                                                                                    
COMMISSIONER GALVIN asserted  that a starting point  in trying to                                                               
address these barriers  was a system like the one  Alaska now has                                                               
in ACES  where the  state participates  significantly in  the up-                                                               
front costs.  The fact that  the state  will pay upwards  of half                                                               
the  cost  is   a  significant  incentive  that   was  not  there                                                               
previously. Dealing  with access and permitting  issues will also                                                               
be in the interests of the both the state and the producers.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
5:14:47 PM                                                                                                                    
MS. DAVIS pointed out that the  increase in rig activity shown on                                                               
slide  24 lags  behind  West Coast  price  fluctuations by  about                                                               
three  quarters.  They   looked  deeper  to  see   how  high  the                                                               
correlation   is  between   oil   prices  and   these  types   of                                                               
expenditures  and found  that  development  expenditures seem  to                                                               
have a very high correlation (slide 25).                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
5:15:41 PM                                                                                                                    
Moving on  to slide 26  and wells  completed, Ms. Davis  said the                                                               
AOGCC did not see much of  a correlation between numbers of wells                                                               
completed and the enactment of PPT or ACES.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Finally,  she  said the  Department  of  Revenue was  asked  what                                                               
companies were  actually drilling  in Alaska during  the calendar                                                               
year 2009,  so they provided a  list of those companies  on slide                                                               
27.                                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
5:16:26 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  HUGGINS  referred  to  the graph  on  slide  24  showing                                                               
drilling activity  and asked if  the trend shown  there indicated                                                               
that the state should see  an increase in drilling activity based                                                               
on the cost per barrel of oil.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MS.  DAVIS  said  the  Department of  Revenue  is  forecasting  a                                                               
relatively  flat oil  price for  the  coming year,  so she  would                                                               
expect activity to be fairly level as well.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR HUGGINS  said he keeps  hearing reports from  oil service                                                               
companies that they aren't drilling, so  he would expect to see a                                                               
downturn.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
5:17:36 PM                                                                                                                    
MS. DAVIS  said their information  is not definitive; it  will be                                                               
interesting to see how it turns out.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
5:17:50 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR FRENCH  said he thought  Exxon was drilling in  2009, but                                                               
they were not listed on slide 27.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MS. DAVIS said she  got the list from AOGCC and  the data may not                                                               
be complete.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR FRENCH asked if the  committee would hear from members of                                                               
the oil industry today.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR MCGUIRE replied that they  are not scheduled to speak at                                                               
this meeting.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
5:18:42 PM                                                                                                                    
MS.  DAVIS  summarized that  the  information  the Department  of                                                               
Revenue was  able to gather  from various state agencies  and the                                                               
tax system  does not reveal a  direct negative impact due  to the                                                               
state's tax changes.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
5:19:46 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  HUGGINS said  one of  Senator  Stedman's concerns  going                                                               
into the  open season for the  gas pipeline is whether  the state                                                               
will  suffer a  serious loss  of revenue  due to  the association                                                               
between oil and gas.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER GALVIN said  he agreed that all of  the members need                                                               
to be aware  of the relationship between oil  and gas production.                                                               
They need to  discuss the price parity issue and  what its impact                                                               
could be,  look at ways  to address  the problems it  may create,                                                               
and decide  whether they  need to something  about it  before the                                                               
end of this session.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
5:21:42 PM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR  MCGUIRE   thanked  everyone  for  their   comments  and                                                               
adjourned the meeting at 5:21 p.m.                                                                                              

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
ACES Update Presentation SEN RES - FINAL Read-Only (2).pdf SRES 2/4/2010 3:30:00 PM